tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3274583756441452923.post6230991056619259251..comments2024-02-13T14:28:21.282-05:00Comments on New Jovian Thunderbolt: MetroConsNew Jovian Thunderbolthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09452246769246304612noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3274583756441452923.post-21985348663270460402009-10-22T08:37:24.434-04:002009-10-22T08:37:24.434-04:00"Well, let's just say that the quip about..."<i>Well, let's just say that the quip about Paleo-Conservatives is deeply insulting.</i>"<br /><br />Well, I was paying more attention to the "Metrocon" thing, which I thought was a neat descriptor for a certain type of conservative that I hadn't heard used before.<br /><br />I agree he was pretty off-base on the paleocon thing, but decided not to break a lance on it since it wasn't really the topic of the post.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3274583756441452923.post-63830112528633931432009-10-21T22:09:28.868-04:002009-10-21T22:09:28.868-04:00I would point out that the head of the Brady Campa...I would point out that the head of the Brady Campaign, Republican former governor Paul Helmke, is arguably one of your metrocons. So is William J. Bennett, the driving force behind the original Federal "assault weapon" fraud instituted by Bush the Elder, and Sarah Brady herself.<br /><br />If those of you who are conservative give a free pass to anti-gun conservatives, don't be surprised if you end up following in the footsteps of the UK and Australia, two nations in which sweeping bans were instituted BY CONSERVATIVES as a way to keep "the <i>little</i> people" from owning guns.<br /><br />Being pro-choice on guns is not an inherently conservative position, and being anti-choice on guns is not an inherently liberal position; new restrictions on the law-abiding are mostly mostly pushed by center-left to center-right authoritarians who subscribe to a communitarian philosophy, and view More Authority as generally a good thing. Those people should be resisted, regardless of where they lie on the political spectrum.benEzrahttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=97165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3274583756441452923.post-54181838867248818002009-10-21T17:51:51.173-04:002009-10-21T17:51:51.173-04:00Well, let's just say that the quip about Paleo...Well, let's just say that the quip about Paleo-Conservatives is deeply insulting. These folk were conservative before being conservative was cool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3274583756441452923.post-62567200188815372722009-10-21T07:39:02.520-04:002009-10-21T07:39:02.520-04:00James,
I don't see where he termed them "...James,<br /><br />I don't see where he termed them "the enemy" or was trying to be divisive; it strikes me as a good explanatory essay for why 2A issues don't appear on the radar much at the mainstream conservative journals emanating from the NY-DC axis., while they might be a major conservative issue for a reader in the 'burbs of Dallas or Denver.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3274583756441452923.post-3959678451209004212009-10-20T22:08:40.553-04:002009-10-20T22:08:40.553-04:00"where The State is the largest employer and ..."where The State is the largest employer and consumer..."<br /><br />Oops- forgot largest lender and car dealer, too!jimbob86noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3274583756441452923.post-47564444577110967012009-10-20T22:06:35.465-04:002009-10-20T22:06:35.465-04:00"If you're trying to move a policy positi..."If you're trying to move a policy position to statute....."<br /><br />IMHO, there has been WAY to much of that already...... "There oughta be a Law...." or "The Government oughta make sure....." has led us to the mess we have today, where The State is the largest employer and consumer.... If things keep going like they are, it will collapse under its own weight, and a lot of innocent people will be crushed under it's thrashing bulk.jimbob86noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3274583756441452923.post-58231950021343167852009-10-20T21:52:43.703-04:002009-10-20T21:52:43.703-04:00Mark Levin used to be an Assistant United States A...Mark Levin used to be an Assistant United States Attorney. Don't bank too hard on his never having handled a firearm, and I am not talking about holding one up in court during a trial.<br /><br />Mike JamesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3274583756441452923.post-59707542434348087892009-10-20T21:31:03.798-04:002009-10-20T21:31:03.798-04:00I don't think the intention was to insult anyo...I don't think the intention was to insult anyone; if they feel insulted, too bad. Note that there are a lot of prominent conservatives who have shown no apparent interest in guns or gun rights--as described--and have even been hostile to the idea that the Second Amendment is an absolute right--I am thinking Buckley and Will here. <br /><br />Me, I like the MetroCon tag, since, among other things, it describes not only the condition but the reason for it. I suppose that, having grown up in The Big City one might suspect that I would have turned out that way, except that in Detroit in the era I was growing up, heading off the the Great North Woods ("Up North") was pretty much expected; back then, even in The City Michigan was a Deer Hunting state.Dranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08082177597135236652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3274583756441452923.post-88998367857836479582009-10-20T21:11:33.252-04:002009-10-20T21:11:33.252-04:00If you're looking to make enemies out of allie...If you're looking to make enemies out of allies, you're making a good start. Do you think you're going to bring folks to your side of an issue by insulting them?<br /><br />If you're trying to move a policy position to statute, the way you go about it is by building coalitions. Let make say that another way - if you want to make an idea law, you need to get as many people as possible on your side. <br /><br />You start with the art of the possible. Sometimes, it's just small steps, that give you a chance to put your side in the best possible light to folks unfamiliar with your point. Say, inviting someone who's never been shooting out to the firing range. You work up from there.<br /><br />you'll find that the vast majority of people respond better to a friendly invite. And when you start saying either you're 100% on my side, or you're the enemy - well, you'll find you've got a lot of unnecessary enemies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com