If you are going to a place where you know there is probably going to be a gunfight, don't go there.
What kinds of places are those? Hard to tell. The answer varies. One scenario with high degree of confidence? Riots. Don't voluntarily attend riots, strapped or not. If a riot shows up where you are, surprise, unbidden, first priority is to try to un-ass from that place. If you can't, then you might be attending a gunfight, but it is involuntary. Always make it involuntary.
Failure to follow this first rule leads to bad outcomes. And hot snotty tears of regret. I follow this rule religiously.
Tell all the holster-sniffing 17 year-olds you know (he is a bit of a cop worshiper, apparently). They have horrible judgement most of the time, boys that age. And breaking this one rule could turn an otherwise good shoot into life in slam. A text book case of self-defense shooting can turn into 1st degree murder because of this rule.
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This is war. We need angry, aggressive young men on our side.
And we need to protect them from the cops and the courts, who are observably on the other side.
The Kenosha DA would have an easier time if one of the gunshot victims had been an actual choirboy instead of violent felons.
I made this exact point on another blog, and surprise! Not only did nobody agree with me, they mistook my explanation of the kid's problem with why he was there in the first place for advocating he be convicted of murder. All I did was explain that if you're in a place you have a right to be and are forced to defend yourself, you're okay, but if you're forced to defend yourself because you're someplace you shouldn't be, you've got a problem. A lot of people don't want to hear that.
you are thinking from an individual survival point of view. this is no longer about individuals surviving but survival of a way of life, of civilized society, of the future. there is no survival in the long run if we don't make a stand now for the survival of the group. that is how society came to be in the first place. they will systematically kill every individual and then eat their own in the dystopian world they dream of. do you really want to survive in that world? would it rightly be called survival? may your chains rest lightly on your shoulders.
Old 1811 - Exactly why should the young man not be somewhere public? Is this still America or not? Especially since he was at his place of employment, defending a filling station from rioters and arsonists armed with Molotov cocktails.
McChuck,
Well, for one thing, prudent people don't drive twelve miles and cross state lines while armed to go to a riot. They stay home and watch it on TV.
For another thing, open carry in Wisconsin is only legal for people over 18, so what he was doing was illegal. Since the first prong of lawful self-defense is innocent presence, he gave himself quite a hurdle to jump. And if you're in a place it's illegal to be (like, say, being illegally armed in the middle of a riot), shooting to defend yourself might not be lawful self-defense. To give just one cogent example, a guy who confronted his neighbors over a loud party was assaulted and shot one of the loud partiers. He thought that he had a good self-defense case, but since he initiated the confrontation, he was convicted of murder.
I hope I answered your question.
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