Thursday, December 15, 2016

What if

What if...  When I pull the trigger in what feels, to me, straight back in line with the pistol thusly:



I get this:






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But when I pull it in what feels, to me, like this:

I get more like this?







And this pushing the rounds right is some flaw in my trigger pull?  And though it FEEL like I angling the squeeze, in reality, I am really not?


Update:


How are you shooting; standing up, one hand, 2 handed, or from a rest? 
2 handed, square to the target, arms almost fully extended, elbows down, head upright and square to the taret

What is the range to the target in the pictured groups?
25 feet.  The minimum at this range.

How many shots are you taking without a ‘rest’ in between shots?

2 or 3

Can you observe via dry fire; particularly if you have a laser or bore sight you can use ?
No laser for anything that isn't DA revolver, no.



5 comments:

US RKBA said...

The answer to your question is, it depends.

How are you shooting; standing up, one hand, 2 handed, or from a rest?
What is the range to the target in the pictured groups?
How many shots are you taking without a ‘rest’ in between shots?
Can you observe via dry fire; particularly if you have a laser or bore sight you can use ?

If you’re going to run this to ground, think more like a problem solver than a shooter. How can you eliminate as many variables as possible in the shooting equation?

You can start by re-testing from a good seated position, firing the gun from a solid rest. Try to have the rested gun and target as close to eye level as possible. Make, slow, deliberate and precise shots, firing first only one shot at a time; 1 / magazine. Then multiples at a time - 2 to 3 per magazine. Then try to repeat by the number of shots taken “at a time” that produced these targets.

Have someone knowledgeable watch or film you shooting and review for any of your mechanical issues to manifest.

Have someone else shoot the gun both from a rest and as you did to produce these groups.

If you can repeat this from a solid rest and get this backed up by someone else then your rear site should probably come left just a bit. Else, if you cannot consistently repeat this, you have a mechanical issue firing the shot, more than likely introducing movement while depressing the trigger. The could be sympathetic muscle movement within your hand. Try this exercise:

hold your hand in front of your face closed only to the point that it would be to hold your handgun. Try to move only your trigger finger in the same motion that you would stroke the trigger. I’m betting there is a lot more movement than you expected. How much of this translates into an imprecise shot varies from person to person but minimize that extraneous movement generally offers a 1 to 1 improvement in shot precision.

If you’re able to correct this shooting from a solid rest in a seated position then you have a mechanical issue either within the arc of movement or the trigger pull, or both. I would retest, reducing magazine capacity to 1, forcing you to concentrate on taking precise, aimed shots and reducing fatigue errors. If this reduces or eliminates the issue, then your issue is likely within the arc of movement, possibly fatigue related. Remember, just because you have a 15 round magazine doesn’t mean you have to take all 15 shots at once.

This is where I would start
Good luck !


Charles Lee Scudder said...

Had a friend's pistol that even in a rest would kick to the right so much you could watch it when the trigger broke. Second worst for accuracy pistol I've ever seen.

Mike V. said...

I'd ask how far down the pad of your finger you are when you contact the trigger. You may be too far off center.

Will said...

The normal 1911 model has a variable that you can play with:

1)Change the trigger length.

You actually get two variables to play with in concert when the length is varied. (actually three, but it starts to get more interrelated then)
2)The arc of the finger movement
3)Modifying this by shifting the contact point from pad to crease, which changes the pivot points of your finger movement
3)Doing #3 changes the apparent effort (pull weight), which makes the arc movement more sensitive

Steve in Detroit said...

What is your grip, one handed or 2 handed stance? You answered your own question with trigger pull. If your moving you have that squeeze the trigger motion, try just using index fingertip and pull till break.